Beograd, 20.06.99. 01:30
Dragi moji prijatelji,
posto sam navikla da delim sa vama sve pobede i poraze,
podelicu i pismo koje sam i ocekivala od nekoga poput chika
Ivana kao reakciju na moju prethodnu poruku u kojoj sam
ISKOPIRALA PORUKE KOJE SAM DOBILA OD ZENE KOJA SE MNOGO VISE
BRINE ZA SRPSKI NAROD NEGO MNOGI OVDE i mislim da sam jasno
rekla da su to NJENE poruke. Uzgred, dragi Vasile, evo
ovakvi koji izvrcu cinjenice i koji ne vide ono sto je
napisano nego samo ono sto zele da vide, e takvi su krivi
sto smo tu gde smo. Sledi pismo koje sam dobila na svoju
adresu od chika Ivana, bez izmene ijednog slova.
Pocetak pisma ( da se zna gde je pocetak, da neko ne pomisli
da je tekst moj)
------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------
CNN nije referenca kojom mmogu da se potvrdjuju dogadjaji,
jer su poznati kao notorni montazeri pozeljnih dogadjaja u
funkciji politike svoje prema nasem narodu "dobronamerne
vlade".
Najveca nesreca sto nas brane takve osobe kao sto ste Vi, pa
je najbolja solucija da od takvih poduhvata odustanete, jer
kakve ste sve pogrdne epitete pripisali nasim policajcima
nije
dovoljno ni da se stidite, vec da odete, kao svi Amerikanci
kod
psihologa, a mozda i psihijatra.
Verovatno treba zaliti neduzne Siptare, sto niko ne
osporava,
ali kako to da njima ne spomenuste ni jedan poznati i opste
priznati zlocin prema Srbima sa Kosmeta.
Vecina negativnih epiteta koje ste pripisali policajcima
koji su
davali svoje zivote u sluzbi naroda na Kosmetu, sasvim
opravdano
pripadaju Vama.
Ja licno ne nasedam propagandnim trikovima "nezavisnim i
postenim"
novinarima CCN-a, a Vas se duboko stidim.
Prof. dr Ivan Jovanovic iz Nisa
------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Kraj pisma ( da se zna gde je i kraj)
.
Sada pisem ja, da li su svi shvatili? I Vi, chika Ivane?
Prvi pasus: da li sam ja rekla da je CNN objektivna TV kojoj
treba slepo verovati? Nisam, ne treba nikome slepo verovati,
vrlo cesto ni sopstvenim ocima, i one umeju da prevare. Evo,
na primer, chika Ivan: citao moj mail u kojem ja lepo kazem
da prenosim tudji tekst, ali on svaku rec pripisa meni,
valjda mu tako lakse, ne moze napadati nepoznatog, a mene
vec poznaje, urgirala sam da ga prime u duvacki orkestar.
Da li je moguce da SVE lazu i montiraju? Cisto sumnjam,
verujem da ima i lazi i istina. Ako je samo 10% onoga sto
prikazuju istina, onda se ja stidim sto u mom narodu ima
takvih izroda i sto oni nisu kaznjeni za ono sto su uradili,
pa zbog njih i onih koji su im to tolerisali ispasta ceo
narod. A ima ih, na zalost, i sto je najgore oni se i
otvoreno hvale tim sto su radili. Ne mozete to pripisati
CNN-u, to sam cula ja, ovde, uzivo, dopadalo se to nekome
ili ne. "Dobronamerna vlada"? Ako me oci ne varaju, u mojoj
poruci pise, citiram: "Ova pisma nemaju nikakve veze sa
zlocinom koji je NATO izvrsio nad svima nama, tu opravdanja
nema, .......". Da li neko ovde vidi da ja mislim da su oni
dobronamerni?
Drugi pasus: ne pada mi na pamet da gubim snagu spasavajuci
beznadezne slucajeve kakav je chika Ivan, pokusavam da
ucinim nesto za svoje dete, sebe, i ostale ljude koji imaju
dovoljno razuma da prihvate cinjenicu da u nasem zitu ima i
kukolja kao i u svakom drugom narodu i da kao nacija nismo
savrseni, to sto istina boli i mene kao i vecinu drugih nece
promeniti cinjenicno stanje. Da li sam ja pripisala ikakve
epitete policiji? Jesam, ali ne u prethodnom mail-u, tamo ih
je pripisao neko drugi ko je ocajan sto mu neko bruka naciju
i istoriju, nego malopre, nazvala sam NEKE OD NJIH izrodima
i kukoljom. Sami po sebi termini koje sam upotrebila znace
da se radi o izuzecima. Jako je ruzno i RTS-ovski
pripisivati nekome tudje reci, a cak i njih izvrtati. Da
idem kod psihijatra? Hocu, ovih dana cu kod moje predivne
drugarice na kafu, a usput cu je zamoliti za objasnjenje
kako funkcionisu sive celije kod ovakvih kakav je moj chika
Ivan. Steta sto je vec izabrala temu za doktorsku
disertaciju i to iz dva razloga: propustila je mozda mnogo
zanimljiviju, vec pomenutu temu, a s druge strane se plasim
sto ce i ona postati Prof. dr. kao i chika Ivan i kao
izvesna gospodja, pardon, drugarica, s cvetom u kosi i
leptiricima u mislima.
Treci pasus: svodi se na prethodne: JA nisam spomenula
NIJEDAN, ni nas ni njihov zlocin, a i da jesam, zasto bih
spominjala njihove kada su vec toliko "poznati" i
"opstepriznati". Uostalom, gospodja i pocinje svoja pisma
upravo svojim ocajanjem sta Albanci rade sada Srbima, ako
neko vec nesto cita, trebalo bi da procita ceo tekst, a ne
samo ono sto zeli da vidi.
Cetvrti pasus: pogledati komentar o drugom pasusu uz
dodatak: "Hvala, i ja Vama".
Peti pasus: cast mi je da me se neko ovakav stidi, neko ko
ne podleze propagandi CNN-a, ali vrlo patriotski podleze
"istini" RTS-a koja nas uci da smo najbolji, najjaci,
najslobodniji, najdemokratskiji, najneviniji, najnebeskiji
narod koji kvare samo ovi izdajnici koji se ne slazu sa
vodjom i njegovom mirotvornom politikom, izdajnici koji su
pobegli sa Kosova jer su bili kukavice pa nisu ostali sami
oci u oci sa OVK, i naravno izdajnicka SP Crkva koja
saradjuje sa NATO-om i radi protiv sopstvenog naroda trazeci
da ovo rukovodstvo podnese ostavke i prestane da unistava
srpski narod.
Hvala na paznji, verovali ili ne, bilo mi je zadovoljstvo.
Samo bih zamolila chika Ivana da mi se ubuduce obraca
iskljucivo preko liste, bice mozda ljudima zanimljivo. Na
moj mail ionako nece moci da salje poruke jer cu staviti
ZABRANU svom voljenom Outlook-Express-u da prima mail-ove sa
podatkom From: Ivan Jovanovic, iz prostog razloga sto mi
nismo ni prijatelji, ni poslovni partneri, pa shodno tome
nema sta da trazi u mojoj kuci. To je vrlo jednostavno, ako
neko ne zna, treba ici na
Tools -> Massage Rules -> Blocked Senders i uneti adresu
posiljaoca cija se poruka brise cim stigne na Inbox. Ovo je
u verziji 5.0. Slicno je i u verziji 4.0 :
Tools -> Inbox Assistant. Gagi, jesi li video ovo, vrlo je
korisno?
Gordana
P.S.
Hocemo li se dogovoriti za novu listu, potpuno je svejedno
koja ce biti, vazno je da smo i dalje zajedno. Za sada imamo
jednu ljubaznu ponudu. Ima li ih jos? Ashley?
Vlado, drago mi je sto ti se dopalo, naci su ja jos nesto da
vas razveselim, zao mi sto patite bez RTS-a.
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:57:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Slobodan Stojanovic <sloba55@yahoo.com>
To: kosovo@yurope.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
SVIMA ONIMA KOJI NAIVNO PRIMAJU PODATKE
IZ ZAPADNIH IZVORA
===================================================
CNN: Terrorists of KLA ransacked monastery of Devic
June 18, 1999
Srbica, June 18 (CNN) -
French peacekeepers stood guard Thursday
outside a Serbian Orthodox monastery,
following reports that a band of Kosovo
Liberation Army fighters had ransacked
the site near Srbica and terrorized its
clergy for days.
The incident is regarded as one of the
most serious assaults by the KLA since
NATO peacekeeping troops were deployed
in Kosovo and could hurt attempts to
convince Serb civilians that they would
be protected by NATO forces.
A French soldier told CNN that KLA members
occupied the 15th-century Devic monastery,
about 40 kilometers (25 miles) west of the
Kosovo provincial capital, Pristina, from
Sunday to Wednesday, robbing its priest and
nine nuns and stealing two cars and all the
monastery's food.
Assault rifles were fired next to the heads
of the priest and nuns to terrorize them,
the soldier said. Numerous shell casings
were found in the courtyard.
One nun was stripped naked and taken into
a back room by KLA members, he said. When
French soldiers found her, she was hysterical
and traumatized.
When asked if the woman had been raped, the
French soldier said, "What do you think?"
French troops surrounded the monastery,
maintaining a 24-hour guard.
KLA forces attempting to return to the
monastery fled when they saw the French
contingent, the soldier said.
=============================================
BEOGRAD - Upravnik Muzeja Srpske pravoslavne
crkve Slobodan Mileusnich optuzzio je pripadnike
separatisticcke OVK da su osstetili visse srpskih
manastira i svetinja na Kosovu. U intervjuu
"Veccernjim novostima", Mileusnich je rekao da su,
prema podacima Patrijarssije SPC u Beogradu,
osstecheni manastiri Svetog Marka Korisskog kod
Prizrena, zzenski manastir Svete Trojice u
Mussutisstu, manastir Devicc kod Kosovske
Mitrovice, a da su ugrozzeni i "arhitektonski
biseri" Bogorodica Ljevisska i Graccanica.
==============================================
BEOGRAD - Predsednik Demokratske stranke Srbije
Vojislav Kosstunica ocenio je da Kosovo nije
izgubljeno za Srbiju, ali da se za njega "moramo
boriti". Kosstunica je u intervjuu za "Blic" rekao
da su potrebne dve vrste borbe-medijska i pravna
koja podrazumeva iznossenje svih argumenata kojima
se mozze "osporiti nasilniccka okupacija teritorije
jedne drzzave i mozze pokazati da je u ovom sluccaju
nasilje zaodenuto u pravo".
=================================================
Tyranny of Terrorists
June 19, 1999
Prizren, 19 June, 1999 (Media Center, BETA, inet.co.yu)
- An old man died today, after he was beaten by the
members of the separatist Kosovo Liberating Army at the
former headquarters of the Serbian Police, says the
spokesman of the German contingent in KFOR, commander
Hans Klassing.
The members of the German troops in KFOR in Prizren
didn't arrest the KLA terrorists for their treatment
of the local Serbian residents, but they released
them from the building with all documentation. Twenty
civilians were captured and tortured in the building,
and the body of the dead Gypsy was found, he was accused
for the cooperation with Serbs.
That seventy years old man "was tied for the chair" in
the former police station. The KLA got into the station
after the departure of the Serbian police, says Klassing.
Around 25 terrorists captured around 15 persons,
mainly Gypsies, accusing them for the "cooperation
with Serbs", says an eyewitness.
The prisoners that were released by the German
soldiers from KFOR, obviously, had been severely beaten.
After the departure of the Serbian forces from Prizren,
the separatist KLA entered the town and occupied all
empty buildings - municipality, court, police... and,
from Tuesday they started to patrol in the town and
control the Serb civilian's houses and took away
found weapons.
They were arresting, torturing and interrogating the
civilians on Tuesday, as well.
Feeling endangered by the armed members of the
separatist KLA, the Serbian population fled from
Prizren to Serbia.
=====================================================
Terrorists Kill and Kidnap Serbs - KFOR Observes
June 19, 1999
Pristina, 18 June, 1999 (Media Center) -
Milos Petrovic, 16 year old Serb was killed by the
members of the KLA, near the place Savina Voda, 5
km from the Serbian - Monte Negro border. The boy
was in the column of the fifty Serbian refugees,
returning from Monte Negro to Kosovo and Metohija.
Eight members of the terrorist KLA kidnapped eight
members of Jokic family in Gusica village near Vitina.
So far, twenty thousand Serbs left Urosevac and its
neighboring says the fled villager, Miroslav Cemerkic.
The groups of KLA came in the Goles area from
Lipovica, near the military airfield Slatina. They
burned down the Serbian houses some 100 meters
from the Russian troops.
The kidnapping of the Serbian civilians and soldiers
is going on. A sergeant Zoran Tosic, his 9 soldiers
and the civilians were kidnapped in Vranjevac:
Zoran Raicevic, Branko Markovic and Slaviasa Izdarevic.
A group of the terrorist KLA broke into the Health
center in Gnjilane and beat the head of the center,
Vladimir Devic.
According to the information of the Media center, the
groups of the KLA members together with the
Albanian civilians broke into the Tobacco factory, the
Textile factory and the Gosa factory in Gnjilane.
The members of KFOR intervened in some cases and
forced out the criminals from the city's Post office.
According to the information, during the afternoon,
the KLA members established the checking points at
several roads around Gnjilane.
The great number of Serbs and Montenegrins escaped
during the day from Gnjilane.
Blagoje Stankovic from Strezovce village and
Novica Vasic from Orahovica village in Kosovska
Kamenica County were brutally murdered, yesterday
by the Albanian terrorists, states Media Center the
statement from the County authorities in Kosovska
Kamenica.
Stanojko Mihajlovic from Novo Selo was killed in front
of his own house by the terrorists.
The separatist KLA members killed 12 Serbs in the
area of Kosovska Vitina in the last two days.
According to the last information, almost all Serbs
left the villages: Grmovo, Gusica, Pozaranje, Novo
Selo, Drobes and Tankosic.
Pristina, 18 June, 1999 - Two days ago, around 10
a.m. Slobodan Pavlovic (1952), Nenad Pavlovic (1984),
Momcilo Dimic (1967), Dimitrije Milenkovic (1951),
Aleksandar Milenkovic (1954) and Dejan Prokic (1979)
were kidnapped in front of their houses in the
Kosancic Ivan Street. The eyewitnesses said that
they were taken towards Mazgit village.
======================================================
Call for halt of slandering of Yugoslavia
June 17, 1999
Rome, June 17 (Tanjug) -
President of the biggest Italian union of
local TV and radio stations CONNA (National
Coordination of new aerials), Mario Albanesi
called all the members of that union to oppose
in their news programs the slandering of
Yugoslavia, which is an obstacle for peace
in Kosovo.
During the last weeks and months, Albanesi
was a host of the program which lasted for
several hours every night on TV "Teleambiente"
station truly talking about criminal NATO
aggression and heroic resistance of Yugoslavia,
which got a huge publicity in a very short time.
In his call to the members of CONNA, president
Albanesi specially points out to the last media
operation of slandering, called "mass graves".
"The last theme was alleged mass graves, which are
regularly prescripted to the Serbian perfidy. It is
about the orgy of lies in which RAI and private
national nets are specially distinguished, says
Albanesi stressing that "there is no word, nor any
other interpretation which would enable the
knowledge of elementary truth: besides repression
and personal conflicts, conflicts between Yugoslav
Army and so called KLA caused many casualties
which had to be buried, along with victims of
bombardment and those who died in natural way".
Through the appeal of its president, CONNA called
close TV and radiophone stations to "take the space
which are they recognized by, the space which is
different from one where rules one-minded
information of observers"
=================================================
NATO's false information
June 16, 1999
The media organization Reporters sans Frontieres
(Reporters without Borders, RSF) claimed that
NATO distorted the truth about the war in
Yugoslavia. "False information, exorbitant and
impossible-to-check figures and the use of
debatable historical references have
strengthened doubts about the goodwill of
certain western political and military
leaders," RSF said in communiqué.
================================================
PORUKA EPISKOPA NIKOLAJA VELIMIROVICHA
"Srbija je sused Evrope, ali Srbija nije Evropa.
Neka pomogne Evropi ako hoche i mozze, ali neka se
ne uliva u Evropu i ne gubi u Evropi. Nass je
opssti zakljuccak da je Evropa bolesnik koji se
pravi zdrav; besomuccnik koji se pravi pametan;
siromah koji se pravi bogat i bespomochnik koji
se pravi silan. Evropska civilizacija je ugrozzena
zbog bolesti ljudskih dussa.
Nemojte se prevariti da stanete uz one koji
izgledaju kao da su pobednici, a koji su stvarno
unapred pobedjeni. Stanite odluccno uz onoga koji
je davno rekao: Ja pobedih svet, koji je, dakle,
bio nepogressni prorok svojih sukcesivnih pobeda,
koji je unapred proglasio sebe pobediocem u svim
borbama i bitkama do kraja vremena".
Iza ovih mudrih poruka episkopa Nikolaja
Velimirovicha treba ccvrsto stajati i istrajavati,
jer je sud Bozzji na nassoj strani.
From: "Dusan Miladinovic" <mdusan@EUnet.yu>
To: "Marko Kocic" <marko.kocic@analog.com>
Subject: Re: [nobombs] Kosovo: Ruzenje naroda - vez poruka
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:09:12 +0200
Dragi Marko Kocicu
>Dalje se pitam sta bi pojedine clanove liste ubedilo da je bilo kakvih
>zlocina bilo na Kosovu (sem onih protiv Srba, naravno)?
>Orudja za mucenje, spaljene kuce, svedocenja, grobnice - nista od toga
>nije dovoljno. Pa mi se cini da nekim Srbima ne bi bilo dovoljno ni da su
>bili na licu mesta kad su se zlocini odigrali.
Bas me briga za arnaute i njihove muke.
O njima vec misli 4 milijarde ljudi na ovoj planeti.
Jos se i ratovi vode i vodice se, zarad njihovog dobra.
Mene jedino interesuje Srbija i dobro njenog, Srpskog
naroda.
Ne treba mi nikakvo ubedjivanje, nego me jednostavno
NE INTERSUJE.
Sutra nosimo konkretnu pomoc, konkretnim izbeglicama.
Kazi mi, da li tebe TO interesuje i da li bi te interesovalo
kada bi sutra zajedno sa nama KONKRETNO bio prisutan.
Ljudi, dosta o arnautima, mislite malo na svoje.
Dosta smo mislili na sve, zato nam tako i jeste.
A za arnaute i arnautcice, da Bog da ih sve cuma odnela...
From: "Ljubo" <ljubo@ihug.co.nz>
To: <kosovo@yurope.com>
Subject: Kosovo: Ruzenje naroda - vez poruka
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 08:53:57 +1200
Da li je moguce da ovako lupetate vas dvojica. Siptari su se bunili i pre
nego sto je SM dosao na vlast (setite se '68. '81).
Imali su sva prava, cak i da proteraju Srbe sa njihove zemlje. Radjali su
se, odrastali, zavrsavali skole i fakultete, proveli radni vek,
penzionisali se i umirali u Srbiji, a da nisu imali potrebe, a i nisu pa
makar reda radi , da progovore srpski. Gde to ima u savremenom,
"demokratskom" svetu???
A da bi neko bio tretiran kao covek mora i da se ponasa kao covek!
PROSIRITE LISTU U JUGOSLAVIJI I SVETU.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Kosovo@yurope.com mejling lista
WWW: http://www.yurope.com/kosovo/
-----------------------------------------------------------------